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Bob Duff
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 11.10.2014

Dec 12 @ 11:39 PM ET
Bob Duff: Trust In The Process That's the message Detroit Red Wings coach Jeff Blashill is reinforcing to his players, convinced they are not far from snapping out of their current 1-5-4 slide.
GeoffY
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Spaniard\\\'s Bay, NF
Joined: 02.23.2017

Dec 13 @ 12:31 AM ET
Now I see what you guys mean when you say Duff does a lot of cut and paste blogs.
Very little personal creative effort to say the least.
This was a perfect disappointing example.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 13 @ 4:11 AM ET
Bob Duff: Trust In The Process
That's the message Detroit Red Wings coach Jeff Blashill is reinforcing to his players, convinced they are not far from snapping out of their current 1-5-4 slide.

- BobDuff

Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Dec 13 @ 7:46 AM ET
If all teams are trusting the process, who wins?

If you have good possession players playing on the same line, who gets the puck?
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Dec 13 @ 7:48 AM ET

- Nucker101


gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Dec 13 @ 9:26 AM ET
The Wings have won 1 game in their last 10. Yet the players, coach and GM all think they're playing good hockey. What a joke. I've never seen a team so happy when they lose. Trust the process. No Jeff. I trust that you and your GM will be fired at the end of the season.
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Dec 13 @ 10:43 AM ET
When it comes to "the process," I agree in principle, but not in the application.

In broad terms, hockey is a game where the better team that plays the better game doesn't always win. Bounces, bad luck, bad calls, etc. can produce an outcome that isn't reflective of the way the game was played. However, if you consistently play better than your opponents, you will win more games in the long run, even if you go through a few frustrating losing streaks in the short run.

So in principle, "trusting the process" makes sense ... if you actually have a good team.

And that's where the application fails. The Red Wings' problem isn't "the process." Actually, the problem is captured pretty well by Aussiepenguin's joke earlier in this thread:
If all teams are trusting the process, who wins?
- Aussiepenguin

Belief in your "system" or "process" or "attention to detail" can only take you as far as your talent allows. For the billionth time, the core problem is that the Red Wings just aren't a particularly skilled hockey team. Even if you follow "the process," you're still probably going to lose, because your opponents will be following their own process AND they're better than you.

From a coaching perspective I get why you would want to say anything you had to in order to keep your players believing in themselves and working as hard as possible. No coach could get away with telling the truth here, which is simply that the team sucks and no amount of effort or attention can possibly make up for it. But as fans, we don't have to take this line of BS at face value. I'm guessing most of the players don't either, which is either bad or great news depending on your point of view.
Vladdie_Kon1
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 04.21.2007

Dec 13 @ 3:51 PM ET
When it comes to "the process," I agree in principle, but not in the application.

In broad terms, hockey is a game where the better team that plays the better game doesn't always win. Bounces, bad luck, bad calls, etc. can produce an outcome that isn't reflective of the way the game was played. However, if you consistently play better than your opponents, you will win more games in the long run, even if you go through a few frustrating losing streaks in the short run.

So in principle, "trusting the process" makes sense ... if you actually have a good team.

And that's where the application fails. The Red Wings' problem isn't "the process." Actually, the problem is captured pretty well by Aussiepenguin's joke earlier in this thread:

Belief in your "system" or "process" or "attention to detail" can only take you as far as your talent allows. For the billionth time, the core problem is that the Red Wings just aren't a particularly skilled hockey team. Even if you follow "the process," you're still probably going to lose, because your opponents will be following their own process AND they're better than you.

From a coaching perspective I get why you would want to say anything you had to in order to keep your players believing in themselves and working as hard as possible. No coach could get away with telling the truth here, which is simply that the team sucks and no amount of effort or attention can possibly make up for it. But as fans, we don't have to take this line of BS at face value. I'm guessing most of the players don't either, which is either bad or great news depending on your point of view.

- Sven22


Well said Sven... when the product on the ice is crap no system is going to fix it. We can only hope Holland gets his walking papers at the end of this season. The fact he hasn't already been offered and extension (like in the past) is somewhat telling. Praying Chis Illitch let's him go.

Been to any Griffins game this season ? I still haven't made it out yet. Svechnickov is in a horrid sophmore slump. Not sure what's going on with him. Really hope he turns it around soon this season.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 13 @ 4:14 PM ET
When it comes to "the process," I agree in principle, but not in the application.

In broad terms, hockey is a game where the better team that plays the better game doesn't always win. Bounces, bad luck, bad calls, etc. can produce an outcome that isn't reflective of the way the game was played. However, if you consistently play better than your opponents, you will win more games in the long run, even if you go through a few frustrating losing streaks in the short run.

So in principle, "trusting the process" makes sense ... if you actually have a good team.

And that's where the application fails. The Red Wings' problem isn't "the process." Actually, the problem is captured pretty well by Aussiepenguin's joke earlier in this thread:

Belief in your "system" or "process" or "attention to detail" can only take you as far as your talent allows. For the billionth time, the core problem is that the Red Wings just aren't a particularly skilled hockey team. Even if you follow "the process," you're still probably going to lose, because your opponents will be following their own process AND they're better than you.

From a coaching perspective I get why you would want to say anything you had to in order to keep your players believing in themselves and working as hard as possible. No coach could get away with telling the truth here, which is simply that the team sucks and no amount of effort or attention can possibly make up for it. But as fans, we don't have to take this line of BS at face value. I'm guessing most of the players don't either, which is either bad or great news depending on your point of view.

- Sven22



It's the "Get it in deep, play hard, finish checks for 60 minutes" of roster-building cliches. Well said.

"The Process" is also the catch phrase of Sean McDermott, the head coach of the Bills. Basically it means the same thing for them. "We'll be good once we luck into one of the 12 good QBs in this league."
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Dec 13 @ 4:17 PM ET
When it comes to "the process," I agree in principle, but not in the application.

In broad terms, hockey is a game where the better team that plays the better game doesn't always win. Bounces, bad luck, bad calls, etc. can produce an outcome that isn't reflective of the way the game was played. However, if you consistently play better than your opponents, you will win more games in the long run, even if you go through a few frustrating losing streaks in the short run.

So in principle, "trusting the process" makes sense ... if you actually have a good team.

And that's where the application fails. The Red Wings' problem isn't "the process." Actually, the problem is captured pretty well by Aussiepenguin's joke earlier in this thread:

Belief in your "system" or "process" or "attention to detail" can only take you as far as your talent allows. For the billionth time, the core problem is that the Red Wings just aren't a particularly skilled hockey team. Even if you follow "the process," you're still probably going to lose, because your opponents will be following their own process AND they're better than you.

From a coaching perspective I get why you would want to say anything you had to in order to keep your players believing in themselves and working as hard as possible. No coach could get away with telling the truth here, which is simply that the team sucks and no amount of effort or attention can possibly make up for it. But as fans, we don't have to take this line of BS at face value. I'm guessing most of the players don't either, which is either bad or great news depending on your point of view.

- Sven22


In team sports you have to play to your opponents weaknesses. Not necessarily to your own strengths. Teams need to adapt to how a game is being played, & youre correct in saying 1 teams 'process' may not be as good as another due to the personnel employing that process. Basic 'principals' of the game should be followed but if you play a fast 'process' & your opposition is faster than you, youre in some froth & bubble. I've actually never heard a team be out processed, but that may change.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Dec 13 @ 6:46 PM ET
In team sports you have to play to your opponents weaknesses. Not necessarily to your own strengths. Teams need to adapt to how a game is being played, & youre correct in saying 1 teams 'process' may not be as good as another due to the personnel employing that process. Basic 'principals' of the game should be followed but if you play a fast 'process' & your opposition is faster than you, youre in some froth & bubble. I've actually never heard a team be out processed, but that may change.
- Aussiepenguin

Blash Wars. May the Process be with you.
Gertner
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.04.2017

Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM ET
Now I see what you guys mean when you say Duff does a lot of cut and paste blogs.
Very little personal creative effort to say the least.
This was a perfect disappointing example.

- GeoffY


Duff wrote for our local paper (the windsor star) forever. He was even hackier there also he didn't steal articles from the Det News so much. He was literally copying and pasting Ted Kulfan's Detroit News articles and posting them. He's awful.